Adnan Oktar’s live talk with Ms. Rafif Jouejati Jouejati, Syrian...

Good day to our viewers. We are starting our conversation with Mr. Adnan Oktar. We have guests from Syria.

Oktar Babuna: We have distinguished guests from Syria. Activist Ms.Rafif JouejatiJouejati from Syria, Ms. DimaMoussa from Syria again. Welcome. Also their friend Mr. Matthew from the US.

Adnan Oktar: Welcome. You do us a great honor.

Rafif Jouejati: Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be with you.

Adnan Oktar:  Do you know the subject matter? What do they do?

Oktar: Yes. Syrian activist Rafif JouejatiJouejatistrives against the Assad regime in Syria, to stop the bloodshed. They are raised in the US. They have their own organization. They are of Syrian origin, but from the US. And Mr. Matthew is from the US.

Adnan Oktar:  The ladies are of Syrian origin.

Oktar: Yes. And the gentleman is American. Ms. Dima lives in Gaziantep. And you live in?

Rafif Jouejati: I live in Washington, D.C.

Oktar: The other one in Gaziantep. And Matthew lives in Chicago.

Adnan Oktar: Let them talk, let us start with the lady.

Oktar: You may start first.

Rafif Jouejati:  You would like me to start first? I was expecting a question but if I am going to speak first, I would like for your audience and your followers to understand that the people of Syria are facing daily massacres committed by the Assad regime;  to understand that the refugee crisis in Europe and Turkey is caused by the Assad regime; people are fleeing the barrel bombs that hit daily. The barrel bombs that are full of chlorine gas, metal, fuel, barrel bombs that kill indiscriminately. There is the calamity of human suffering in Syria and I believe that Syrians are appealing to the International Community to put a stop to the killing perpetrated by the Assad regime. I know that the current international narrative is to combat ISIS – the Islamic State. The current international narrative revolves around combatting and eliminating ISIS. And I understand that to be a global concern but I believe that the root cause of the problem in Syria is the regime of Bashar al Assad. And I believe that we cannot achieve a lasting solution in Syria unless we eliminate the root cause of the problem.

Adnan Oktar:  What about if the nature of the regime were to change, would that do? If they abandoned the Ba’athist mindset and were compassionate and affectionate. What if Assad did away with the old team and he adopted a humane and loving policy with an entirely new team, would that be enough to save the situation?

Rafif Jouejati: The Syrian people went out in 2011 in peaceful protest to change the Baath system and to change almost five decades of extreme brutality under military dictatorship. So what the people of Syria have been asking for is regime change and they have been asking for a state grounded in the rule law; for a state in which human dignity is preserved and a state that respects the human rights. This is what we are looking for.

Adnan Oktar:  I am not saying let us forgive the murderers in the regime. They must all be punished. But what if Assad were to remain in his position and we did away with the regime, removing the brutality of the Ba’athist regime in its entirety. What if they were moderate and modern and looked up to Europe, wanted to join with the EU and looked favorably at Turkey, even to the extent of desiring a federation? Or if they just altered their behavior such as to wish to work together, even without a full federation? On the condition that he remained in power? On the condition that his honor is preserved? Because the other way would trample his honor into the dust. We can eliminate all the concerns about his character; we can also eliminate the fierceness of the regime. We can have all the Ba’athists detained, all the killers, in other words. But we can set Assad aside and put him at the head of a reasonable, liberal center-right government. That is ...