Why Across the Spider-Verse Worked and Multiverse of Madness Didn't - SCENE FIGHTS!

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Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is a sprawling multiversal superhero movie with character at its heart. And we noticed that another Marvel movie, Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, is very similar. In fact, we think that both movies have one similar scene that shows why one was a success, and the other didn't meet expectations.

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These two movies are very similar, but one is a visual triumph that uses the multiverses to tell a character-based story, and the other is most remembered for this [mr fantastic death].

Now I’m not hating on Multiverse of Madness, I think it’s a really great Sam Raimi video, but a mediocre Multiverse movie. And I think that, within these two similar movies, there is one similar scene, that shows why one movie is this clip]. But the other is this [clip].

First, let’s break down the similarities.

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Now, both movies are obviously multiverse stories set in or adjacent to the Marvel Cinematic Universe–but the way these stories are told are remarkably similar.

Both movies start with a prologue where a teenage, female hero is betrayed by a mentor figure that she trusts. Gwen’s dad tries to unmask and arrest his daughter, while Defender Strange tries to steal the powers of America Chavez [clip]. These scenes end with the young woman escaping into the multiverse, where they met our hero.

The lead character is a superhero who is feeling lonely and isolated after the events of their origin story movie, and of the last crossover event. Miles misses his spider-friends, and Stephen has abandoned a normal life with Christine. So these heroes are conflicted between their personal and private lives–and this internal conflict is at the heart of the movie. For Stephen, it’s the question [are you happy].

And for miles, it is whether or not his family can accept his double life as spider-man. Also, both heroes also recently prevented a multiversal criss with variants of Spider-Man. And in the last movie, the central spider-man hero was partially responsible for the chaos.

The hero begins the movie at a social function where the work / life imbalance really shows–the hero is distant from his loved ones. Both movies also begin ih the heroes having to choose between fighting a villain, or attending a personal event.

Then the hero encounters a being with the power to travel the multiverse, and they have a very public fight on the streets of New York City. [archer, just say NY]

And then the hero meets up with a young woman who has the power to travel the multiverse. This woman is basically running away from home–although America is doing this unintentionally. So the hero travels the multiverse with this woman-entering strange new universes that are vibrant and a lot of fun.

Well, Manhattan is a lot of fun, but Stephen just flips through these universes like Hammy channel surfing. [toy story clip]

The two of them encounter a team of variant heroes that are real crowd pleasers. [applause for reed richards]. One of these heroes is someone that the hero trusts–baron Karl Mordo, and Peter B Parker. But it turns out that these heroes are secret villains, who betray the hero because they are a threat to the multiverse. Though, bth of these heroes believe that they are acting for the greater good of the multiverse.

This leads to a confrontation between the hero and all of the variants. The variants are worried about the hero because he is reckless. Miles is an anomaly who has destabilized the multiverse, and Stepehn is told [greatest threat ...is you].

But meanwhile, there is another, greater threat to the multiverse who was kind of a secret villain who appeared in the previous movie. The spot was bagel guy, here [clip]. And early in the movie he is a total joke who we did not expect to become a threat to the multiverse. And wanda is a twist villain, who completely undermined her arc in wandavision.

Doug: Is that a similarity?

No, but I haven't forgotten.