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Indian Scientist on AI, Jobs, Education & Future of Indian Economy
Episode 04 | Piyush Nangru x Dr. Utpal Chakraborty

In this episode, Piyush Nangru speaks with Dr. Utpal Chakraborty — AI & Quantum Scientist, Founder & Chief Scientist at GAHNA AI Lab, Co-founder of IndiqAI.
They dive into India’s sovereign AI ambitions, the rise of Small Language Models like GAHNA, the role of quantum computing, and how AI will reshape jobs, skills, and the Indian economy.
What does an AI-first India actually mean?
Are we building fast enough?
And most importantly — what should students and professionals be preparing for right now?
From cybersecurity to education, finance to national security, this conversation explores how trustworthy, explainable, and India-built AI systems could redefine the next decade.

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 — Show + guest intro (Dr. Utpal) + Gehenna setup
03:46 — AI growth is outpacing everyone (Dr. Utpal Chakraborty early AI journey)
08:05 — What AI actually is: ML vs neural nets → CNN/RNN/LSTM → Transformers
10:59 — Corporate vs academia: India’s R&D gap and how it’s changing
14:27 — AI agents, layoffs, and the future job market
19:18 — Student advice: adaptability + learning-to-learn
26:25 — Govt + policy: IndiaAI, AI Kosh, data ecosystem, DPDP
29:44 — Sovereign AI explained: control, compliance, explainability
38:14 — How to build an SLM: data strategy, compute, checkpoints
45:04 — Quantum computing explained like you’re 5
49:20 — Crypto risk + quantum safety (post-quantum)
54:33 — Quantum + AI convergence: real-time AI, training vs inference
56:48 — Rapid-fire predictions: currency, healthcare, sports, transport
1:02:44 — Closing: don’t wait, start building now

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