03:00 call plays
Jurors in Kouri Richins' murder trial today heard a recorded three-way phone call between Richins, her friend Chelsea Barney and Eric Richins' best friend, Bryce Knudsen.
She laments being blamed for taking $250,000 from Eric's home equity line without his knowledge to fund her house-flipping business, which she claims is successful but jurors have seen evidence that she was deeply in debt.They aslo discuss Eric's trust that gave control of his home to his sister.
The call was played during Barney's direct-examination this afternoon (Thursday, March 5, day 9). You can watch the beginning of her testimony here: • Ex-Best Friend Testifies About Losing Home...
03:00 call plays
04:26 "But basically, you know you know about Eric's trust. It's no surprise. "Yeah."
"Bryce, I — you know, I don't care about money. It's not a it's not a big fucking deal to me. All the money..."
04:56 "This house is my house, Bryce."
06:46 "I believed in myself. He told me no, but I knew I could do it, because I know what I can do. I'm — Bryce. I wouldn't do something that I didn't know, that I knew I could do. I'm not fucking stupid. Bryce, I own 12 properties that are almost all paid off, including, yeah, including my own house that I've almost paid off. Like I own multiple houses in Park City, in Mill Creek, in Saratoga Springs, in Mill in Heber, in Midway. All because I did that."
07:21 "And they all go to my kids, $11 million of real estate property because I took $250,000, Bryce. He just never gave me a fucking chance. He never gave me a chance because he didn't believe in me. And He can say whatever he wanted. He can say I stole from him."
10:29 "Hey, Bryce, this is Chelsea. So Kouri has told them or they're going through like attorney to attorney. It's never been like face to face.
So Kouri has told them that they can take all the life insurance, whatever they have in their name, what Eric left to them, but Kouri just wants her house, which is like a 3 million to 7 million difference. Well, they won't agree to anything until they get the autopsy, because they think that Kouri had a part in Eric's death."
13:11 "Kouri can make whatever money she wants, but the fact that they're going after her house is what she's just so broken about."
17:05 "So they're filing a suit trying to make Kouri look ... like an incompetent mother."
18:54 "What she wanted to call you about was that she just can't make the celebration of life, and she feels awful about it. She doesn't want, I mean, and if you continue to do it, whether you cancel it or not, like, if you continue to do it, she doesn't want you to. She doesn't want to come out as looking as the bad guy that she's not there."
29:12 Judge to jury: "Thank you for your patience. You've just heard, and may hear an additional reference or two by Ms. Richins in this recording to charges, quote, unquote. Those references are two separate civil litigation regarding the trust the civil lawsuit, they are not references to criminal charges of any kind."
30:12 "Theft of conversion, of some bullshit. I don't even know how to pronounce like all this shit, and I'm like, Jesus, I haven't been in trouble since I was in high school when I was 16 years old, for Hell's sakes, I'm 32 like, What do you mean? I'm in trouble. Like, I didn't fucking do anything."
38:54 Bryce: "I think, I think if Erc was still here today, and, you know, I think you change it. Unfortunately, unfortunately. It sucks. He can't. Right now, Katie has all power."
41:40 "And I just, I broke, I just, I lost it, and I asked my attorneys. I said, I don't I don't understand. What does that mean? And he was like, 'They think you had something to do with Eric's death.' And I said, 'What the does that mean?'"
Background:
Kouri Richins, 35, is accused of fatally poisoning her husband, Eric Richins, with fentanyl at their home in Kamas, Utah, in March 2022. After he died, she self-published a children's book she authored titled "Are You With Me?" about coping with grief.
Eric Richins, 39, was found dead in their home on March 4, 2022.
Prosecutors allege Kouri dropped a lethal dose of fentanyl in a Moscow Mule cocktail she prepared for him. They say she was motivated by money because she owed nearly $5 million to lenders and had changed her husband's life insurance policies prior to his death while also taking out a home equity line of credit without his knowledge. She also was in a romantic relationship with another man.
Her defense is that her husband died of a self-inflicted overdose and his family pressured police to implicate her.
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