trinities 374 - Book Session Identity Crisis - Part 3

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This episode is the final portion of the EPS session devoted to the forthcoming book, One God, Three Persons, Four Views, edited by Dr. Chad McIntosh. You’ll hear the entire Q&A portion of the session, plus my commentary thereupon. Topics include:

Jesus and the “one like a son of man” in Daniel 7
Jesus’ claim in Mark 2 and in Matthew 9 to be authorized to forgive sins
the accusation of blasphemy lobbed at Jesus in Mark 14:61-64.
the “worship” of Jesus in Matthew 2 and elsewhere
how Revelation 1 describes the exalted Jesus in similar terms to the Ancient of Days in Daniel 7
the title “Alpha and Omega” which is used in Revelation for both God and Jesus
whether John 15:3 implies that it must have been God who died for our sins
whether Romans 10:9 shows that in Paul’s view Jesus is Yahweh
whether being begotten by God implies being God, and the charge in John 10 that Jesus is “making himself God”
John 17:5 and the issue of Jesus’s pre-human existence in the New Testament
whether John 12:41 implies that Jesus is Yahweh
John 1 and the deity of Christ
that the Hebrew echad can refer to non-simple, complex unities

There is also a question about and some more discussion of Dr. Craig’s controversial claim that it is an anachronism to suppose that New Testament authors could make claims involving the concept of numerical identity. I point out that any normal adult, then or now, can wonder, after twice referring, if they’ve referred to the same thing twice or rather to two things in succession. I also point out that the anti-modalist plank of trinitarian confessions, even ancient ones, employs the concept of same-thing-as when it denies that any “Person” of the Trinity is numerically the same with any of the others (i.e. that all of these are false: f = s, s = h, h = f).

For his part, Dr. Craig asks me if I accept a Socinian account of atonement, and you’ll also hear the humorous end of this panel session, as the editor Dr. McIntosh hands out clever gifts to each of the four authors.

In the final segment I critique some answers Dr. Craig has recently given on his podcast to some listener questions about the Bible and “the Trinity,” also offering my own answers.

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