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MSIA Founder John-Roger describes the realms of God and how we clear karma through initiations
How do we discover who we truly are inside? MSIA (the Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness) teaches Soul Transcendence — becoming aware of yourself as a Soul and as one with God, not as a theory but as a living reality. Your Soul is who you truly are; it is more than your body, your thoughts, or your feelings. It is the highest aspect of yourself, where you and God are one.

For over 50 years, MSIA founder John-Roger devoted his life to being a Wayshower for others to find Spirit within themselves and demonstrate how to live life in greater loving, happiness, and peace. J-R’s humor, joy, and unconditional loving embraced and touched people around the planet. His good works continue on, guiding those studying the path of Soul Transcendence.
MP217ES A MOMENT OF PEACE: CLEANING UP YOUR WORLDS WITHOUT END
Length: 10:00+/-
from 6/24/87 Initiates Retreat
J-R: The realms go up like this. Notice that just in relationship to the physical down here that the Soul is a bigger realm. Do you get it? And these others get bigger and bigger and bigger. There's more space to get lost in, in all of this than there is down here. Is everybody with that? Inside of you it's the same way. Inside of you, not in the Spirit of the great Spirit worlds but inside, these are planes of existence. Like if you were taking an orange and cutting it and planing it and planing it and planing it. The bottom part of the orange would be here and the middle part would be some place up in
here, and then of course it would go back down to the small end again. But just to give you an idea those are like sections. But they’re so big, they’re so big that they look like they curve. Like this universe looks like it curves. It's a plane.

Q: How do you use the colors and sounds to get around?

J-R So you know where you are, but it's an intellectual type of statement to know where you are because you can't get up here without a Traveler, but the Lord himself takes you up from some place in the Soul realm here. The Lord himself will take you up and you really don't have to know who it is but at the same time when you look at the Lord you start to see yourself until you finally get up here and you find out it was you doing all this all the time anyway. And then you are just awakening to what you didn't know all along and now you finally know. I call it the Divine Unknowing or the Divine Ignorance.

Q: My experience since that initiation on this level, is that it has been a little more hard to figure out what’s going on. (laughter)

J-R: Wait a minute. Initiated to what on this level?

Q: Since my Soul Initiation. I do feel that it’s a much vaster space, and I don’t quite know what I’m doing. Not that I knew before, but --

J-R: But when you know you don’t know is when you start to learn. The thing that’s important is just because a person has been initiated up here, most of them want to keep traveling this way. But as a matter of fact, ninety-nine and forty-four one-hundreths go this way. And you come back down these levels, the astral and the causal and so forth and start to work out the karma that you never did even get close to before. Now if we were to take a thread, and let’s just say that this room here represented all of this universe here. Can you do that in your imagination? And we took a thread, and let’s say, and OK, the highest spot would be right up there, above this red light? And let’s call this board here, this gold board, a thread.

Remember now that we set it up that this room is this entire physical through this realm here. What we do is we take this thread and we bore a hole, like with a needle, all the way up through all the universes, all the way from the physical, all the way up. And remember how big that thread is now... very very small. And after you get up to the top up there where that white bar is, that's the Soul realm. And the only karma you've worked out is this right here. We worked out enough in each realm to dig - to bore up to it. You have all the rest of this that's just as thick as this - different materials, different stuff. You get it, all of that stuff?
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