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Podcast: The Development of Kiawah Island
Featuring: Frank Brumley, Mark Permar, Robert Vingi

A deep-dive conversation with three key figures behind the development of Kiawah Island. From its early days to iconic milestones, this episode is a must-listen for real estate buffs, Lowcountry locals, and design nerds alike.

Chapters:
0:00 – Intro
Frank Brumley shares his background and early work on Amelia Island, Hilton Head, and Cumberland Island—and how those projects led to Kiawah. He reflects on Charles Frazier’s influence.

6:45 – Meeting Eugenia Royal
The transition from Royal family ownership to new developers.

10:30 – Moving to Charleston
Frank relocates to Charleston, befriends city leaders like Mayor Joe Riley, and rents a home from General Westmoreland.

14:15 – Early Kiawah History
Origins of Governor’s Drive, early homeowners, and debates over names like “Vanderhorst.”

17:00 – First Developments
Building five homes on Eugenia Avenue—sold to select families, including a Kuwaiti one.

18:00 – Introducing Mark Permar
Mark’s path to Kiawah through Sea Pines, his architectural work, and move from D.C. to Savannah.

24:00 – First Impressions
Mark recalls getting lost, seeing wild horses, and discovering Kiawah’s raw beauty.

26:00 – Moving to Kiawah
Mark and Dianna settle on the island, working with Brumley and Frazier to build the brand.

29:00 – Early Challenges
Inflation, oil embargo, and navigating early Kuwaiti ownership.

30:30 – Resort-Focused Vision
Plans for dense development and inspiration from Amelia Island.

33:30 – Neighborhood Planning (1976)
Launching Kiawah’s first neighborhoods and the Kiawah Island Inn.

35:50 – First Golf Course
Gary Player’s design of Kiawah’s first course.

38:50 – Cougar Point
Frank shares a humorous anecdote about the course’s origin.

40:00 – Investor Struggles
Frank details challenges with Kuwaiti partners and his eventual move to Wild Dunes.

42:30 – Beach Company Buys Kiawah (1988)
Frank returns to Kiawah after the sale to help guide redevelopment.

45:00 – Naming Kiawah’s Streets
The team names original streets over beers at Orange Hill Plantation.

48:00 – Golf Legends
Pitching to Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus.

50:00 – Turtle Point Development
Mark collaborates with Nicklaus on the second course.

55:00 – Marketing Kiawah
How they positioned the island to buyers from the Northeast and Midwest.

56:00 – Nature as a Selling Point
Conservation becomes central to marketing and planning.

1:00:00 – Oceanfront Setbacks
The team’s vision for inclusive beachfronts and dune preservation.

1:08 – Long-Term Impact of Setbacks
Benefits for both ecology and real estate value.

Key Milestones in Kiawah & Daniel Island Development:
1:10:30 – Rhett’s Bluff
A waterfront design inspired by European villages.

1:16:00 – The $100M Deal
How the Kuwaitis sold Kiawah—and Frank’s next big role on Daniel Island.

1:19:01 – Kiawah’s Iconic Logo
Inspired by Sea Island and Coca-Cola branding.

1:22:00 – Hurricane Hugo
Massive destruction and the island’s recovery efforts.

1:25:45 – $105M in Debt
Frank shares a story about staggering loan interest.

1:27:00 – Resort Sale for $35M
The deal that saved the island from financial collapse.

1:29:00 – “We Knew Nothing About Resorts”
Early missteps in the hospitality industry.

1:30:00 – The Ryder Cup (1991)
The event that put Kiawah on the global golf map.

1:32:35 – Hugo Chaos & Pete Dye on a Bulldozer
A wild post-storm moment you won’t believe.

1:34:00 – Kiawah & Golf Culture
How the island helped shape modern golf in the U.S.

1:42:00 – 30 Years of Growth
Permitting challenges, HOA conflicts, and designing The Sanctuary.

1:44:00 – Designing with Nature
Creative concepts like Marsh Towers.

1:45:00 – Blending Architecture with Ecology
A guiding philosophy of Kiawah’s growth.

1:46:00 – Early Marketing Campaigns
Jeep safaris, trailers, and Betty Poore’s iconic role.

1:50:30 – Wild Hog Mayhem
A hilarious story about feral pigs on Kiawah’s fairways.

1:51:00 – Spirit of Collaboration
How teamwork shaped the island’s identity.

1:55:00 – “Blow Up the Bridge Syndrome”
Why long-time residents resist change.

1:56:35 – The Beauty of Real Estate Development
Mark explains why this work matters.

1:57:45 – “Community is the Highest Form of Creativity”
A powerful quote on the impact of place-making.

2:01:00 – Nature is Still the Star
Why Kiawah’s natural landscape is its greatest asset.

2:03:00 – Charles Frazier’s Legacy
How Sea Pines’ vision shaped Kiawah’s ordinances and long-term plan.

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📍 Filmed in Charleston, SC
🎙 Presented by Robert Vingi