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Interview with former Jehovah Witness Jay Hess and Yann Bertha and how they are continuing with their ministry by exposing the Watchtower and by "Making Disciples."

Dear Jay Hess, I have made some comments in answer to our discussion on the "trinity."

The Bible indicates that God was alone before creation by establishing His eternal nature as the sole existence before time, space, and matter. Genesis 1:1 declares, "In the beginning, God...", highlighting that He existed prior to the universe. God is described as inhabiting eternity, alone in His existence, with no other co-existing entity or creator.

Specific biblical evidence includes:

God Alone, No Co-Creators: Isaiah 44:24 states that God stretches out the heavens alone, specifically saying He was "alone" and that there was "no one with me" when the world was made.

Eternal Existence: Psalm 90:2 describes God as being from "everlasting to everlasting," implying a state of being prior to anything else.

"Before" the World Began: Jesus refers to the glory He had with the Father "before the world existed" (John 17:5), and Paul mentions God's purpose given "before the ages began" (Titus 1:2), indicating God was the only active agent before creation.

The Trinity's Internal Fellowship: While God was alone in terms of not having other, separate entities with Him, the Bible reveals the Trinity (Father, Son, and Spirit) existed in perfect fellowship prior to creation, as shown in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

The word was “with” God. How can the word be with God and then end up being God? When you are “with” someone how can you become that someone and that someone end up to be you? God is a separate person from the word. The word is a spokesperson for God. The Word is “A” God but not “The” One and “Only” God.

While some passages like Job 38:4-7 note that "sons of God" (angels) were present when the foundations of the earth were laid, these beings are understood to be part of the created order, existing after God initiated the creative process, confirming God was the sole, pre-existent creator.

Colossians 1:15, 16
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the “firstborn” of “all” creation; 16 because “by means of him” all other things were “created” in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created “through” him and for him.

Arguments that the Trinity is Not Biblical

The Word "Trinity" is Absent: The term "Trinity" does not appear anywhere in the Bible.
Monotheism Emphasis: Opponents argue that the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, presents God as a single, indivisible entity (Deuteronomy 6:4, "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah").
Subordinationism: Critics point to verses where Jesus appears subordinate to the Father (e.g., John 14:28, "my Father is greater than I," and Mark 13:32, where Jesus does not know the time of the end).

Historical Development: The explicit doctrine of the Trinity was not formulated until several centuries after the New Testament was written, culminating in the Council of Nicaea (325 AD).
Biblical Evidence Against: Some argue that Jesus explicitly separates himself from God (John 17:3, "the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent").

Matthew 24:36 in the Bible states that not even the angels or the Son know the day or hour, only the Father.

Absence of the Word: The word "Trinity" appears nowhere in the Bible; it was first used by Theophilus of Antioch in the late 2nd century.

Strict Monotheism: Old Testament passages like the Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4) emphasize that "the Lord is one," which critics argue is incompatible with a triune God.

Jesus’ Subordination: Passages where Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) or admits he does not know the hour of his return (Mark 13:32) are used to argue that he is distinct from and subordinate to God.

Historical Invention: Some argue the doctrine was a later development influenced by Greek philosophy and solidified only at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD to suppress diverse early views.