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Can "quitting" actually be the most productive thing you ever do?

In this episode, host Farhan Mirza sits down with Jules Downum, the founder of Understory and a cultural anthropologist who is redefining how we connect. Jules opens up about the "sunk cost fallacy" and the grueling reality of building a startup nonprofit where she worked up to 100 hours a week—acting as the HR department, and artistic director all at once.

She reveals the exact moment she realized her "Why" was no longer aligned with her "How," leading to the difficult, yet transformative, decision to walk away from her own creation to rediscover her sanity.
In this episode, we explore:

The Loneliness Epidemic: Why our modern tools of connection are actually driving us apart.

Moral Beauty: A deep dive into the social psychology of "awe" and how witnessing goodness in others can change your life.

The Price of Community: Why true connection requires us to embrace "inconvenience" and discomfort.

The Permission to Quit: How to identify when you are "busy but not productive" and how to find the courage to pivot.

Art as a Business: Bridging the gap between the creative economy and economic development.
Whether you are an artist, an entrepreneur, or someone feeling burnt out in a 9-to-5, Jules provides a roadmap for "carrying on"—even if it's in a completely new direction.