Josh Spitalnick is a clinical & research psychologist with expertise in treating a variety of anxiety conditions with cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) & other evidence-based approaches. In this episode, Josh unpacks the four layers of anxiety—psychological, emotional, cognitive, & behavioral—highlighting why avoidance is the key feature that transforms ordinary worry into disorder. He explains why he continues to treat OCD & PTSD as anxiety conditions despite their DSM-5 reclassification, & he draws important distinctions between worries versus worrying & thoughts versus thinking. The discussion explores health anxiety, illness anxiety, & the impact of modern contributors such as wearables, social media, & the COVID era, while weaving in real-world case studies & Josh’s structured assessment approach. Josh also breaks down evidence-based treatments, from exposure therapy & cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) to acceptance & commitment therapy (ACT), along with the role of medication, lifestyle factors, & how shifting from avoidance to committed action can build long-term resilience.
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0:01:19-Josh's background & approach to treating anxiety
0:03:19-Definition of anxiety/changes in the DSM-5
0:09:25-The psychological aspects of anxiety
0:16:20-Anxiety symptoms: triggers, fears, & hidden mental rituals
0:19:49-Thoughts vs thinking & worries vs worrying
0:24:24-Health anxiety & the limits of medical reassurance
0:37:30-Triggering events for health anxiety, symptom fixation, heritability, & the role of nature versus nurture
0:47:05-Historical & modern shifts in health anxiety, from HIV/AIDS in the 1980s to today’s heightened fears of cancer
0:48:59-Modern factors & recent events that have amplified societal anxiety levels
0:56:41-Josh’s approach to patients with excessive health-related rituals and/or OCD using CBT & exposure therapy
1:05:52-Hypothetical example of treating a person with a fear of flying
1:17:30-The 4 types of exposure therapy
1:24:48-Treating people with OCD that manifests in disturbing & intrusive thoughts
1:36:03-Acceptance & commitment therapy (ACT)
1:41:22-Mindfulness as a tool to cultivate presence, awareness, & healthy engagement with life
1:43:13-Hallmarks of successful therapy
1:50:07-Relationship between anxiety & substance use
1:55:30-Anxiety’s overlap with ADHD, OCD, autism, & physical health conditions
1:57:29-Debunking the harmful myth that health anxiety is “made up”
2:00:57-Prevalence, severity, & evolving treatments for health anxiety & OCD
2:08:21-Treating health anxiety is about providing patients with skills to improve quality of life
2:13:52-Balancing the benefits of abundant health information with the risks of fueling health anxiety
2:18:45-Finding a telehealth provider
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