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Heather Browning (https://sentientism.info/sentientist-...) is a Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Southampton. Her primary research interests are animal welfare, ethics, and consciousness. Heather's latest book is What Are Zoos For? coauthored with fellow guest Walter Veit. She previously worked as a researcher in animal sentience and welfare at the London School of Economics, as part of the Foundations of Animal Sentience project. Heather worked for many years as a zookeeper and zoo animal welfare officer, interested in the practical application of animal welfare measurement.

Walter Veit (https://sentientism.info/sentientist-...) is a Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in Philosophy at the University of Reading and an external member of the Munich Center for Mathematical Philosophy, Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich. He works primarily in and at the intersections of (i) the Philosophy of Cognitive and Biological Sciences, (ii) the Philosophy of Mind, and (iii) Applied Ethics. Much of Walter's recent writing has been on animal minds, welfare, and ethics, as well as evolution. His first monograph A Philosophy for the Science of Animal Consciousness integrating this research was published with Routledge.

Find our previous conversations with Walter and Heather here:
   • Suffering matters even if we didn't cause ...  
   • "Maybe moral systems are harmful! Like rel...  
   • "A Philosophy for the Science of Animal Co...  

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As we covered our core questions already with Walter and Heather, here we concentrate on their new book, "What Are Zoos For?" (https://uk.bookshop.org/a/15422/97815...) We discuss:

00:00 Clips
01:12 Welcome
Heather's episode 54, Walter's episodes 48 & 158
02:15 Intros (see bios above)
Heather "How do we study what's happening inside the minds of animals... what the world is like for them... the ethical implications"
Walter "I study the diversity of minds... in animals... neurodiversity... in humans... in AI systems"
"Our zoo book... how should zoos run... take a non-anthropocentric perspective"
03:40 What Are Zoos For? And Who Are They For?
The range of human views about zoos: entertainment / conservation / fascination vs. exploitation
Heather's background as a zookeeper and a zoo animal welfare officer
Combining an understanding of zoos from the inside plus philosophy
Instead of the zoo industry vs. total animal liberation "a more balanced perspective... from the point of view of the animals and not just human ethics"
06:44 Pillars of Human Zoo Justification
Entertainment, conservation, education and research
"There's definitely been a shift over time"
"In the beginning they were very much places of entertainment. The original proto-zoos were owned by rich and powerful people... to demonstrate their power"
"This history... entertainment... domination of animals... leads people to be very concerned about what zoos do"
Monica Murphy & Bill Wasik episode:    • "This great unresolved tension of modern l...  
08:35 Types of Zoo Today
"There's a great diversity of zoos... we're not just defending all zoos as they currently exist"
"If you want to think about an ideal [but realistic] zoo... can we make welfare a priority of zoos... that's quite achievable"
"When we think about the best zoos that really prioritise animal welfare do we even need to justify them?"
JW: Are any zoos meeting this standard today of being genuinely good for the animals?
"there are zoos who do that... for at least some of their species"
"whether or not the animals in that zoo have good lives is going to depend a lot on what species they are..."
"Large, well-resourced zoos that put a lot of time and attention into building huge, complex habitats for their animals... the animals in those lead good lives that... they would probably choose if given the choice"
"Members of the public gain... feelings of awe... compassion... empathy... connection"
16:15 Challenges to the idea of “good zoos”
25:52 Zoos, the wild, agriculture, companions, sanctuaries
35:50 Parallels with human situations?
44:25 The life histories of zoo animals
59:55 Should human animals just leave other animals alone?
01:10:12 What can we do?
01:11:44 Follow:
Heather: https://sentientism.info/sentientist-...
Walter: https://sentientism.info/sentientist-...
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