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Summary: Our hosts delve into the complexities of defining agile coaching, exploring the different interpretations and debates surrounding the concept. They discuss the motivations behind various definitions, the original intentions of the Agile Manifesto, and the potential pitfalls of conflating coaching with therapy - not that anyone has to their knowledge. The conversation also extends to a fun little romp with turtles, in the titled "turtles all the way down" reference, to illustrate the layered nature of these discussions. They wrap up with a light-hearted debate on the future of agile methodologies and the potential for new frameworks to emerge.