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V138 How do you get knives and box cutters on airplanes Who helped the hijackers Canada

Bill, first to you. How do you get knives and box cutters on airplanes? In fact, on four different airplanes within about an hour a half?

BILL HINSHAW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think it's pretty well planned and it's relatively easy or was relatively easy because I think the focus of the interdiction was against weapons and explosives and not against knives or screw drivers or box cutters.

SUSTEREN: But you know, Bill, you still got to get through security. And every time I go through security, my body goes through the metal detector and my carry-on baggage goes through machine.

Isn't anybody looking?

HINSHAW: I've gotten on the plane with Swiss army knives. The last flight I was on was behind a guy that had a toolbox that had a number of fancy looking tools, but among them was a box cutter and several long screw drivers. So I think the whole focus was not on what the hijackers used.

SUSTEREN: Ray, what do you make of the fact that they were able to get knives and box cutters? I mean, it wasn't simply one slip, one person. I mean, this was a plan, four different flights had them.

KELLY: Undoubtedly, it was a plan and I'm sure it was practiced. It was something that they just didn't do for the first time. You know, if you look at the FAA test that they do at virtually every major airport each year, some of the failure rates are as high as 80 percent. So it's an area that needs to be looked at, needs to changed radically. It's drifted so much since the '70s when we first started these types of security checks.

SUSTEREN: You know, Bill, when I hear him say 80 percent failure, that apparently we've known there's an 80 percent failure in the security on these questions and getting weapons onto planes, I must admit I'm scandalized. I mean, is this what's been happening in our airports?


SUSTEREN: Ray, obviously the pilots of these planes have gone down, but there are a lot of people that may have helped these pilots commit this horrible crime. How do we find the others, the ones who may have helped a little bit and therefore are co-conspirators and are just as responsible?

KELLY: Well, the classic backtracking investigation is what FBI is doing now. You're checking rental car records. You're checking itinerary. I mean, we've seen it. We saw in 1999 with Ahmed Ressam. We know that Canada is clearly an easy point of entry for people that come from places like the Middle East, get into Canada and then come across our border.

SUSTEREN: Bill, how easy to get into these cockpit?

HINSHAW: Well, the last plane I was on, the cockpit door was open like it does in the time. In the days a quarter of a century ago, when we were facing the hijackings where people were hijacking for money, they closed the cockpit door and usually there was an armed sky marshal behind. And nobody went in there, not even flight attendants.

SUSTEREN: But today, I mean, obviously four did get in. Do you think it's extortion that they threaten the pilots? They're going to slit someone's throat or do something like that to get the pilots to open the doors?

HINSHAW: I think they possibly could have because my understanding is that the assumptions have always been don't do anything to make the hijackers mad. Let's get them on the ground. We'll negotiate with them, given them pizzas for passengers and do something like that. These people obviously had an entirely different intent. And they didn't fit the profile. And we paid for it.

SUSTEREN: Ray, I've heard so often, everyone's saying, these are a trained experienced pilots. And I do understand there's some reports in that they had trained in Florida. But to fly a 757 or a 767, at least, I would think takes a significant amount of training? Does it not?

KELLY: Well, you well, aircraft these days are fly by wire. They're computer controlled. You can get even simulator programs for computers. I think once it's up in the air, it's probably not that challenging, particularly if you have had some flight training. So I think it's probably easier than you might suspect.

SUSTEREN: What about aiming though? They still wanted to hit targets. Three of planes were headed for targets.

KELLY: Right. And I think, obviously, they had some training in that regard. But, I mean you talk to pilots, they say that it isn't that complicated. There is, a lot this of course is on automatic pilot. You get from one location to the other by going from point to point to point. You disengage that automatic pilot, then you do the aiming.

Yes it takes some training, but I'm told it doesn't take that much to be able to steer the aircraft.