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In a time of rapid technological change and geopolitical fragmentation, who benefits from artificial intelligence—and who gets left behind?
Ronnie Chatterji, Chief Economist at OpenAI and former White House coordinator for the CHIPS Act, joins Gita Wirjawan for a deep conversation about the real-world consequences of AI: on jobs, infrastructure, regulation, inequality, and the fragile promise of growth across the Global South.
Ronnie reflects on what it means to apply economic thinking to one of the most consequential technologies of our time.
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About the Guest:
Aaron “Ronnie” Chatterji, Ph.D., is OpenAI’s first Chief Economist. He is also the Mark Burgess & Lisa Benson-Burgess Distinguished Professor at Duke University, working at the intersection of academia, policy, and business. He served in the Biden Administration as White House CHIPS coordinator and Acting Deputy Director of the National Economic Council, shaping industrial policy, manufacturing, and supply chains. Before that, he was Chief Economist at the Department of Commerce and a Senior Economist at the White House Council of Economic Advisers.
About the Host:
Gita is an Indonesian entrepreneur and educator. He is the founding partner of Ikhlas Capital and the chairman of Ancora Group. Currently, he is teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar with Stanford's Precourt Institute for Energy; and a fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs.
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Jump to:
0:00:00 - Intro
0:01:30 - What made Ronnie Chatterji
0:05:57 - CHIPS Act
0:07:54 - Moral obligation of OpenAI
0:09:38 - Will AI exacerbate inequality?
0:14:51 - Human capital and productivity
0:18:47 - University-industry relationship is key
0:22:18 - Why should I study STEM if AI can code
0:23:28 - Critical thinking
0:27:10 - How to model the truth
0:28:53 - Close source vs. open source
0:31:02 - How policy could catch up with AI development
0:33:30 - How OpenAI builds trust
0:37:36 - AI's energy demand
0:40:03 - Rule of law: “Institutions really matter”
0:44:19 - AI for decision making & democracy
0:47:11 - Will AI replace leaders?
0:48:33 - Misconception about AI
0:49:45 - Addressing dystopia
0:52:07 - Why the US has been able to do 0 to 1
0:56:03 - Data security
0:56:53 - Who uses ChatGPT
0:59:13 - Why should we use more or less ChatGPT
1:00:39 - OpenAI's mission in Indonesia and Southeast Asia
1:03:35 - Artificial General Intelligence
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