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Cluely Founder Roy Lee Podcast - Interview With Jack Neel

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This is the 48th episode of the Jack Neel Podcast, where I discuss crime, business, and psychology with fascinating individuals.

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00:00 - Intro
01:15 - Roy Talks About Building An AI That Lets You Cheat on Everything
05:30 - How Cluely Can Literally Help You Automate Everything in a Business
07:25 - Why Grok is The Best AI Tool in 2025
08:45 - How Cluely Can Help You Make Dates Smoother
10:15 - Roy Talks About Getting Kicked Out of Columbia For Using Cluely in a Job Interview
15:50 - How Andrew Tate Inspired Cluely’s Marketing Strategy
19:22 - Ad Break
20:30 - How TikTok Broke the Mold For Businesses Making Content
23:40 - Why Roy Gives Free Premium Hinge Accounts to His Employees
25:50 - How Roy Celebrated $120 Million Valuation With a Lap Dance
27:55 - Would You Sell Your Cluely to Mark Zuckerberg for a Billion Dollars?
31:35 - Roy Talks About Throwing Million Dollar Parties
32:35 - Why Are Asian Engineers Better?
35:10 - Roy Talks About Running His Mom’s Business When He Was 15 Years Old
37:00 - Why Colleges Will Become Obsolete in the Next Few Years
38:50 - Roy Hints to New Features Coming to Cluely AI Soon
41:40 - How China Could Easily Take Over the AI Space
43:15 - Who is the Real Roy Lee Outside Social Media?
44:20 - What’s Roy Lee’s Life Mission?
46:00 - Why an AI Brain Chip Will Be Inevitable
50:30 - Why Suffering is Important For Growth
53:45 - Does Everyone Secretly Want to Cheat at Life?
58:30 - How Can Someone With Zero Experience Get into AI?
01:05:45 - Roy Shares Some of His Social Media Marketing Strategies
01:09:55 - What’s the Biggest Lie Entrepreneurs Tell Themselves About AI?
01:13:25 - Why Building a Product is Key Before Marketing it
01:15:00 - How Humility Kills Most Companies
01:19:20 - Why AI Will Make the World Better or Completely Destroy
01:22:40 - Why Status is Vital For Human Nature
01:25:30 - Why Your Head of Marketing Should Have 100K Followers
01:28:30 - How Roy Lee Would Make the Jack Neel Podcast Explode
01:32:00 - Roy Lee Shares His Most Controversial Takes
01:36:50 - Who’s the Most Impressive Person You’ve Ever Met?
01:40:10 - What’s Something That Happened To You That You Believe is Unfair?
01:41:55 - What Pain Do You Enjoy?
01:43:00 - Do You Think You’re a Good Person?
01:45:50 - What’s the Scrappiest Thing You Did to Grow Your Company?
01:48:05 - What’s the Best Piece of Advice You’ve Ever Received?
01:49:20 - Roy Lee Showcases Cluely During a Zoom Date