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Sean Illing talks with Erica Benner, political philosopher and writer and author of Be Like the Fox: Machiavelli's Lifelong Quest for Freedom.

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Almost nothing stands the test of time. The writings of Machiavelli are a rare exception.

Why are we still talking about Machiavelli, nearly 500 years after his death? What is it about his political philosophy that feels so important, prescient, or maybe chilling today?

In this episode, Sean speaks with political philosopher and writer Erica Benner about Niccolo Machiavelli’s legacy. The two discuss The Prince, Machiavelli’s views on democracy, and what he might say about the Trump administration were he alive today.

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