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How do you know when you’re no longer the right CEO of the company you built?

After 15 years building Help Scout into a successful SaaS company, Nick Francis stepped down as CEO. Not because the business failed — but because growth, venture capital, and changing expectations forced a harder question: was he still the right leader for its next chapter?

In this conversation, Chris Savage and Nick unpack what scaling really costs — and how money, ambition, and vision can quietly drift out of alignment.

You’ll learn:
What changes when you raise institutional venture capital
The pressure founders face to “grow, grow, grow”
The thin line between being principled and being stubborn
Why profitability can protect your vision
How to know when it’s time to lead differently

If you’re a founder, CEO, or builder navigating startup growth, this episode is about the decision no one wants to make — and how to make it with clarity.

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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro
00:16 Building a Dream Company
2:47 Defining Success at Help Scout
8:26 Navigating Ambition and Principles
10:08 The Challenge of Growth and Capital
14:39 Reflecting on the Entrepreneurial Journey
30:06 Balancing Profitability and Values
32:28 Advice for New Entrepreneurs
45:07 The Importance of Documenting Values Early
46:27 Reflecting on Non-Negotiables
47:37 Wrap

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